Comments on: The 30 Most Influential Interactive Products: 20-11 http://www.kickerstudio.com/blog/2009/07/the-30-most-influential-interactive-products-20-11/ Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:14:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kicker Studio: Kick It! A blog by Kicker Studio » The 30 Most Influential Interactive Products: 30-21 http://www.kickerstudio.com/blog/2009/07/the-30-most-influential-interactive-products-20-11/#comment-581 Kicker Studio: Kick It! A blog by Kicker Studio » The 30 Most Influential Interactive Products: 30-21 Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:14:06 +0000 http://www.kickerstudio.com/blog/2009/07/the-30-most-influential-interactive-products-20-11/#comment-581 [...] 20-11! This was written by Dan Saffer. Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009, at 10:55 am. Filed under [...] [...] 20-11! This was written by Dan Saffer. Posted on Monday, July 13, 2009, at 10:55 am. Filed under [...]

]]> By: Dan http://www.kickerstudio.com/blog/2009/07/the-30-most-influential-interactive-products-20-11/#comment-317 Dan Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:51:46 +0000 http://www.kickerstudio.com/blog/2009/07/the-30-most-influential-interactive-products-20-11/#comment-317 Influential doesn't mean "most used." I think you're confusing popular with influential (although they are sometimes the same). It's possible I got the ICQ history wrong. Influential doesn’t mean “most used.” I think you’re confusing popular with influential (although they are sometimes the same).

It’s possible I got the ICQ history wrong.

]]> By: Dave Malouf http://www.kickerstudio.com/blog/2009/07/the-30-most-influential-interactive-products-20-11/#comment-316 Dave Malouf Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:42:14 +0000 http://www.kickerstudio.com/blog/2009/07/the-30-most-influential-interactive-products-20-11/#comment-316 Dan, I think you got ICQ wrong historically. I think that AIM actually pre-dates ICQ. Definitely within the AOL only universe (but still cross-platform) and if ICQ was the 1st outside a closed network to do IM, it was really AOL's AIM that made IM what it is today. ICQ for most people was a blip. I also think you are confusing "influential" with "iconic" sometimes. In the case of Flickr, I think they are iconic and successful, but it was Ofoto that set the stage for online photo sharing. yes, the addition of the social that Flickr added was important, but it was building off of 5 years of previous "sharing" tht ofoto (today KodakGallery) was doing. I guess, I mean to say that it is hard to know in this list any more whether it is "most influential" or Dan's favorite examples? And looking at the flickr example, there are still way more subscribers to KodakGallery than to Flickr and now Facebook is the defacto photo sharing champion today based on #'s of photos and #'s of people using the system. Also The WELL as a the 1st social network? Really? B4 Compuserve? or Prodigy? Again, I'm not so sure. I think your definition of "social network" is also too broad here. If a social network is just an addressbook then I'm not so sure it is The WELL or that important. The WELL just happened to be the place where people in the Valley (mostly) congregated. The #'s are so small compared to other dialup services with similar activites that are contemporaries. AND if you want to look at revolutionary Usenet/UUNET is probably more important and influential than The WELL. It is the HACK Radio of Networks. Dan, I think you got ICQ wrong historically.
I think that AIM actually pre-dates ICQ. Definitely within the AOL only universe (but still cross-platform) and if ICQ was the 1st outside a closed network to do IM, it was really AOL’s AIM that made IM what it is today. ICQ for most people was a blip.

I also think you are confusing “influential” with “iconic” sometimes. In the case of Flickr, I think they are iconic and successful, but it was Ofoto that set the stage for online photo sharing. yes, the addition of the social that Flickr added was important, but it was building off of 5 years of previous “sharing” tht ofoto (today KodakGallery) was doing.

I guess, I mean to say that it is hard to know in this list any more whether it is “most influential” or Dan’s favorite examples? And looking at the flickr example, there are still way more subscribers to KodakGallery than to Flickr and now Facebook is the defacto photo sharing champion today based on #’s of photos and #’s of people using the system.

Also The WELL as a the 1st social network? Really? B4 Compuserve? or Prodigy? Again, I’m not so sure. I think your definition of “social network” is also too broad here. If a social network is just an addressbook then I’m not so sure it is The WELL or that important. The WELL just happened to be the place where people in the Valley (mostly) congregated. The #’s are so small compared to other dialup services with similar activites that are contemporaries. AND if you want to look at revolutionary Usenet/UUNET is probably more important and influential than The WELL. It is the HACK Radio of Networks.

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